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.Help Me Build; THE SYSTEM U DESCRIBED - Part 6:
The 'REVIEW' - Realistic Sound - No Fairytale Ending
part 5. We
begin, again, with a repeat of a
quote from the thread;
.Now, here's the lead-up to the 'review', the actual 'review' (somewhat lacking in info, and a bit 'misleading', unfortunately) and my necessary response in regards to the misleading aspect of said 'review'. So sorry, but though the recipient is happy with the result, there ain't no 'fairy-tale ending' to this saga.
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: System u described
Yes - I do owe you a status check. I didn't forget about you. The system still is not complete. let's do this.... I will send you a comprehensive email next week reviewing everything so far. It will include accolades re ur inspiration and assistance.
I received the turntable a few weeks ago and I'm extremely happy with it. However, the Audio Note Cartridge is on loan so I dont want to give final assessment until I have my cartridge.
I am still waiting for final cables to arrive (hopefully this weekend) and at that point the system should be complete and I can give you accurate feedback and list all the equipment specifications. I will be back in Y-State next week to hook up cables and cartridge.
I also purchased a Technics RS 1500 tape deck and it might be ready next week. Im not going to include that in my review. I will leave that for a later date. It's also not something you and I went into depth over.
I realize that the system I put together was not what you specified or recommended but dont get hung up on that. your articles and our emails inspired me down this path and I built a solid system that I'm happy with and is providing great pleasure. Inspiring people through writing is very powerful and you should be proud of that.
if you dont hear back from me by late next week - shoot me a reminder email.
tone arm is the
ortofon. i bought the jelco and listened to it. i
wasnt happy with it. moved up to the ortofon.
significant move but it made a big difference. i ended up selling the
jelco. it was worth it. in the end I put a lot of $ into the
TT. it came out great and sounds wonderful. again -
I will go into specs and also send you pics (not to be published) when
I get back to dc next week.
the only thing i know you wanted comparison of is quad 303 amp and the sansuis. Honestly, I dont have the time to start switching all of the equipment around right now. I might be able to do it in Nov. I have the amp ready to go but what little disposable time I have right now is directed at finishing the current system and enjoying it.
Wednesday, October 3, 2012 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: System u described
i dont have the cables yet. they should be here soon (coming from England). I'd rather hold off another week until cables are on it, I'm using my cartridge (coming with cables) and I should have tape deck next week too. Lets wait until until next week for my notes.
Friday, October 5, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: System u described
I hear you. But it seems you've opted for the more difficult route, fraught with delays. One would wonder why!
no problem. I'll give
you a review next week as is.
personally, I'm going to wait to make my final assessment on the system when the Audio Note cables are installed. I'm using total crap right now. difference may be minor but i dont consider it done until the connectors and speaker cables are installed.
Also - tape deck isnt ready yet.
keep in mind that this system exists and has been built in a city - I dont even live in. im there a few days a week - a few weeks a month. My time to deal with it and enjoy it for that matter are extremely limited.
I will provide you a review next week - work permitting. Otherwise, it may not be until second week of nov until i have things set up the way I am anticipating. .
.WAJ-----Oct 12, 2012, at 10:05
PM, ... wrote:
Saturday, October 13, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: System u described
Monday's cool. Lookin' forward to it. Thanx!!!! And thanks for
understanding the urgency.
.Have a nice flight!!!!
Help Me Build; THE SYSTEM U DESCRIBED:
It started with a conversation I had with a good friend of mine who was at a dinner party hosted by a writer who writes for a national audio magazine.. The writer is fortunate enough to have some pricey equipment to "try out." My friend was invited to listen to his system which he kept in a dedicated listening room. My friends report was - " I wish you were there to hear this because it was incredible."
The story reminded me that even though I still listen to a lot of live music and take the time to go to shows, my experience with listening to recorded music could be best described as lazy and boring. It wasn't really a pursuit I was giving much thought to but I realized that given my enjoyment of listening to music I was wasting a lot of valuable time listening to music at a quality level similar to wine aficionado mostly drinking whatever he could find at 7-11.
I'll admit I thought about the problem for sometime until I had the time to even start googling possible solutions. Possessing a tendency towards frugality, the focus started to revolve around how to build a quality system on a budget. That's where I tripped into the world of vintage audio options and the return to analog sources.
I'll admit - I bought in even before listening to one piece of the equipment I was reading about. While it sounds naive - keep in mind that I'm not a total newbie to this world. I do own and enjoy a few systems that contain a broad range of quality pieces including Genelec speakers. But reading about vintage audio conjured up memories of listening to vinyl, Cerwin Vega speakers and an old Fisher tube amp I had when I was a teenager.
I soon ran across WAJ on Audio blog on building a quality analog system from used equipment on a budget. Intrigued, I emailed him and he got back to me obviously as enthusiastic about my interest as I was. To make a long story short- he was a huge help and we traded many emails about equipment possibilities and sources.
My interest eventually led me to seek out local sources in addition to the online resources. The equipment I settled on was not always what WAJ and I discussed via email. Moreover, the project started to slip in some places as a pure exercise in building a system on a budget. There are pieces where WAJ suggested equipment that might perform better than what I settled on (mono block amps) but there are parts of the system I invested much more into than we originally contemplated ( turntable).
It took about five months to put this altogether but I'm very pleased with the system and am thoroughly enjoying listening to music on vinyl again. It's a real luxury spending time listening to this and the system has reinvigorated my interest in recorded music again.
The system consists of a pair of Heathkit Altec Lansing Valencia's,
Pair of Sansui HFv60 mono block amps, Audio Research Corporation SP8 preamplifier, rebuilt Lenco L75 turntable, Ortofon ta 110 9 inch tone arm, Audio Note mm cartridge, Audio Note v1 dac, and Sonos. (i.e. Not the complete system: Why? - Ed)
The sound exceeded my expectations for warmth and mid range strength. What I had not expected was the intensity and shape of the sound staging and the harmonics that seems to be missing from sources other than analog. Pieces of music I've used as references for years seemed new to me.
The strength of the middle range is enormous. True, the high ends aren't what I'd get out of my Genelecs (recommended tweeters not installed - Ed) but I'm realizing that given my age and hearing - it's the healthy mid range I enjoy listening to. Making a case for the dynamic range of the system is not a winning proposition (likely; a Sansui amp issue, the only major piece not recommended - all other pieces are renown for their dynamism - Ed) but for what it does - it does real well and I like what it does.
I will admit that after listening to digital material for so many years - analog and tube equipment takes some adjustment. As I've had friends listen to it- they are at first often not impressed but by now I'm used to the reaction (again; no tweeters - Ed). Give them 20 minutes and they start to warm up to it. It takes a little bit of time to adjust from evaluating sound based on dynamic range and sharpness to the depth and harmonics of this system. Like I've told friends - "if listening to music was like eating a piece of toast, then listening to this is like eating toast with a big slab of butter spread across it."
Specifically, the Valencia's are efficient, bold and deep. They easily penetrate the walls of my apartment unlike other speakers I've used. High end response was something I had to get used to but I decided not to try and modify these vintage pieces to respond more like modern equipment . I like the richness and dedication to mid range that they provide. I'm a big fan of these large cabinet speakers.
The Sansui amps are from 1956 and are fairly rare. I have some other amps but have not tested them against other mono blocks or a Quad 303 I own. I hooked them up, turned them on and they did exactly what I wanted them to do. Sound is rich, quick and warm. They are also quite nice to look at. One day I would like to compare them to other amps but I can't get myself to disconnect them.
The turntable took a long time. I waivered for a while and finally settled on a Lenco L75. I decided not to go with a XYZ (top-plate) but instead sunk it into a 30 pound birch plywood plinth without a separate top plate. At first I went with a Jelco tone arm but I wasn't satisfied with the performance. The sound was a little dull and at first I was concerned that my turntable project was going to be a bust. I switched to an Ortofon ta 110 and an audio note mm cartridge. The turntable sings. Bass response is great. Sound is sharp and snappy. There is so much I'm hearing on vinyl I haven't heard for years on CDs and other digital sources.
Arc sp8 is fine. This piece might be modified or switched out in the future. The verdict is still not out if this particular preamp is net positive or negative to the sonic quality of the system. Sometimes I like it and sometimes I wonder if a passive preamp would be better. This is an entirely separate issue that could be discussed for a long time. Again, I don't want to pass judgement on this piece of equipment yet because there are also simple modifications I could make that would most likely increase performance (as persistently recommended - Ed).
undertook this project to rediscover an enjoyment of listening to
music, not to build a system that met certain benchmarks or to make
I'm satisfied with the
results and thank WAJ for the wealth of knowledge he provided on his
the personal attention he offered which was a tremendous assistance.
The 'RESPONSE'; by WAJ
You may have wondered at the cause of the delay in my response to your 'review'.
Truth be told, I was at a loss as to how to respond to a piece which; circumvented comment on the issues requested, reneged on your own commitments, and insisted on conveying an impression which is contrary to the reality (particularly in heaping credit upon yourself for the design of a system you solicited another to accomplish for you) and contrary to the evidence borne-out by the thread. The fact that it seems more like a chronicle of your audio-life's story extolling your 'expertise' and 'prudence' in selecting proper equipment and mods, with some assistance (instead of the component/system-review requested) is even more incomprehensible against the backdrop of your previously admitted, and unquestionably demonstrated, lack of knowledge in the field of high-end audio.
.I'll make no further comment on this, here, as the intense emotions caused by similar instances (among other things) throughout our correspondence, have already been vented elsewhere and may, or may not, be published later. There's no degree of hypocrisy involved in this stance, however, since several of my explicit responses to such shenanigans are already ensconced in the thread.
.All that is left for me to do now, is to thank you for your 'review', and to wish you many hours of musical enjoyment as provided by that system I designed and recommended (and sourced for you, in many instances) excepting the Sansui amps, and DAC. The sentiments, as always, are sincere.
[By the way, and since you seem to have 'forgotten', the items I'm directly responsible for, in that system, are; the Altec (Heathkit) Valencia speaker-system (to be augmented with super-tweeters, as recommended) the Quad 303 amp (as a backup, or interim-measure, preceding the acquisition and modification of the similarly-recommended Ampex or Stromberg-Carlson primary units - Sansuis were substituted, here) the Audio-Research SP8 pre-amp (to be modified with, at least, a stepped attenuator, as recommended) the Lenco L75 turntable (modified with a CLD-type heavy-plinth, at the very least, as recommended) an Ortofon arm - yep (tho the identical Jelco equivalent was/is my preference, due to its equal quality at much lesser cost - the 'test' cited in the 'review' does not mean the Ortofon is superior, especially since different cartridges were used - any real audiophile would know this) the Stanton 881 cartridge (not yet tested since a loaned A-N is currently being used) and, finally, the Technics RS1500 2trk/15ips tape-machine - recommended to be modified with tubed payback amp, at least. (These were NOT your choices, as you are wont to imply, they were specifically recommended, and oft-times sourced, for you to simply purchase and, likewise, all mods were similarly, and just as painstakingly, specified for you to simply have implemented - one or two of these were your choices from the limited options recommended - there's a BIG difference). Oops,... the preceding is, in fact, the WHOLE system,..... save and except for the two items mentioned in the-above paragraph.
Therefore, I'm proud to confirm that this system is, indeed, the BRAINCHILD of WAJ on AUDIO, as requested - it incorporates, in its specific and uncommon design, all the radical principles I've articulated at the said web-site. (i.e. Pending the simple, fore-mentioned and recommended, tweeter and pre-amp mods, of course).
It is remarkable that one should solicit the hard-work, brain-thrust, and considerable time of another (over 3 months + 2, and free of cost) pursuant to benefiting from that person's design of a particular system, only to turn around (after being elated by the quality of the result) seeking to 'verbally minimize' the involvement of the other, in order to claim responsibility for the design of the said system one was/is inept at accomplishing, in the first place. This is even more audacious against the backdrop of a published thread which irrefutably proves any such claim to be totally, absolutely, and laughably fictitious.]
There's really no need for you to respond (and I truly wish you wouldn't) since, after 5 months of effort, sacrifice, and neglecting my own favorite web-site (not to mention my distaste for your obvious determination to distance that system from the 'small-fry' site responsible for its existence) I'm extremely anxious to be done with this affair which has long turned-out to be a 'little' less pleasant and a 'little' more tedious than it could/should have been, thanks to you - to put it mildly. I'd much prefer to end our association NOW. (Please do not try to contact me again).
Nevertheless, I thank you for a bunch of life's lessons. Lessons which unfortunately result in the fact that I would never ever embark on such a project again, in similar circumstances. Others who would/could have benefited (free of cost) similar to you, or in some small way, have you to 'thank' for that, also.
However, and despite the-above, I genuinely feel good about the fact that I was able to design that system for you and others to experience. [Though, by demonstrating it without one of the simple tweeter-mods (i.e. the 'cheap-trick', or 'the usual suspects'; JBL-075, etc.) and the simple mod to the SP-8, both of which I'd repeatedly recommended, you're demonstrating the system at a significant disadvantage - un-necessarily.]
And I'm especially proud of the fact that this system stands (in the public-domain) as living testament to the veracity of the points I've continuously espoused at my site - this was my goal, and this is my reward. I'll leave you, now, with one final word of advice:
Be cognizant of the fact that, by far, the main key to the realism you now experience is due to the very first component I recommended and sourced; the Altec Valencia (or similar types, with efficient large-coned mid/woofers). If you were to substitute it for even the most expensive of the popular small-coned speaker-types, then most of that realism would disappear to be replaced by a thinner, less dynamic, and less realistic sound, featuring the falsely-enhanced hyper-detail and similarly false hyper-imaging so popular today - I call that 'hi-analytics', not high-fidelity. The realistic tonal 'warmth and midrange-strength' you now so admire would, then, only be a memory. (Substitution of a passive- pre would also result in much the same degradation - modify the SP-8, or think 'Coincident Statement', in upgrading the pre). Always remember these points if, and/or when, you contemplate future 'upgrades'.
.Enjoy the system.
.WAJ on AUDIO.
.Oh, by the way, instead of the cool calculated focus on 're-shaping' truth, in your final review and, especially, your utterances leading up to it, I much prefer the honesty integral to your previous spontaneous remarks, as expressed each time another of my recommended components (and even your choice of amp) was inserted into the system. See those below, for instances, they're some of my favorites.
[In your 'review', you also said this; "The equipment I settled on was not always what WAJ and I discussed via email." This, along with other of your previous utterances, implies that you and/or others had quite significant input in the system's design. Oh really? Perhaps you'd like to argue that a DAC and Sansui amp, both of which I deny having anything to do with (tho they were discussed) justify your claim to the design of the system. And, by such logic, I suppose if you were to place 'Toyota' seats into a BMW, then that would also make the car a Toyota. Or, regarding your new-found dealer; if Rolls-Royce commissioned Nissan to modify or build its bumpers, then that would also make the Rolls a Nissan. (Oh, and the fact that we did discuss the only two items you could have been referring to, in the highlighted statement, means that this statement is just another....What? Well, let's not use the 'L'-word, let's just call the statement 'fictitious' - explicitly and implicitly so.
Sure, you have bought the components I recommended - the resulting system is yours, absolutely. But just as the purchase of a recording doesn't give you the right to claim authorship, or the purchase of a car does not entitle you to claim responsibility for its design, likewise, your purchase of my recommended components does not justify your claim for the resulting system's design. Such actions amount to... I believe the word begins with a 't'. Intellectual property is, indeed, property nonetheless. And the t... well.., the claiming of another's intellectual-property is an act reserved for spineless scum, in my opinion, bereft of ethics or any semblance of a moral-compass - the lowest of the low.
You approached me, cap in hand, with the idea of building a system of my design, and based on the principles I espouse in my articles. You consumed three months of my time as I conveyed tons of detailed info and recommendations. You consumed another two months, delaying the resumption of activities at my favorite site, as you stalled, procrastinated, and conjured every conceivable excuse to further delay the requested final-review - my only request in return for the 'monumental' service rendered, free of cost (to you, that is). That's five long months, btw. And now, on witnessing the quality of the resulting system, you turn around to claim responsibility for that which you could not have done yourself. Words do not exist to appropriately describe you.]
I 'regret' to inform you that the facts, taken from the thread and summarized below, ruthlessly expose the fallacies you now promote, regarding the authorship of that system's very existence, so to speak. Let's see:
.(a) Speakers - $1200; recommended and sourced (by WAJ on AUDIO) one pair of which you bought at ebay. This was my advice/recommendation: Altec Model 19 or Valencia (both of which use the same drivers) could be the best options, with performance more closely approaching the state of the art in tonality, dynamism, and overall realism than most conventional alternatives which cost tens of thousands of dollars. An Altec Valencia (assembled by Heathkit, in this instance) is currently at e-bay, with a 'Buy Now' price just shy of $2000 (I'd test my luck in such a scenario by, not bidding but, offering the seller directly $1200 to $1500, at first, but $2k really seems reasonable). Another Valencia is also being bid on as I write.
The suggested tact worked, and you were able to purchase the said targeted item for less than the asking-price.Your comments; on inserting the recommended Altec Valencia (Heathkit) speaker-system into the admittedly mediocre pre-existing system - not your best (Genelec-equipped) system - was this:
."Got them (the
Altecs). They are
my apt. I listened to them for a
while. They sounded
understand the definition of the term in describing speakers.
Let me tell
you what my impression of these Altecs are: When I listened
Armstrong on these speakers - it felt like he was actually singing to
me - not
like I was listening to a good recording of him singing."
.(b) Amps; approx $300 for Quad & $1000 est., for 1pr Sansui mono-blocs: Quad 303 recommended and sourced (by WAJ on AUDIO) as 2nd-choice interim-measure until 1st -choice Ampex or Stromberg-Carlson amps were found and restored. This was my advice: I quoted the Quad 303 at less than $5oo - there's one there (at ebay) today at the 'Buy Now' price of $295, I think (with very slight cosmetic damage) there's also a second being bid on, at the moment, but I'd go for the first if the price of the second passes that level. ......I'd... run out and buy that cheap but excellent Quad 303 at less than $500. I'd use this 'til I find and restore (replacing caps and resistors) my Ampex or Stromberg-Carlson mono-blocs (both of which outclass the likes of expensive Manley Neo-Classics, ARCs, and VTLs, at minimal cost - Ed). When my 'new' amps are ready, I'd simply sell the Quad for what I bought it for. You bought the latter Quad 303, as recommended. But you substituted Sansuis for the recommended 1st-choice amps (your only major deviation from the charted course, contrary to the impression you apparently seek to convey in recent utterances, including the-above review).
On connecting decent amps (your choice) to the outstanding Altec speakers, and even with the 'mediocre' pre-existing passive pre-amp and C-D front-end, at this stage, these were your comments:
." I got them home and hooked them up to the Valncias. Remember that I had only heard the Valencias in my house on a Super T amp - not that impressive. The 12w pair blew life into the speakers. I was literally trembling because the sound was so full and encompassing ( in haste - I only could hook it up to a CD player through a crappy preamp box that I think is just a line splitter). I couldn't believe that I had made such a difference in my experience of listening to music in such a short time and I only had a few pieces so far. .....
. .....I listened to a bunch of cds on Wed night that were like brand new experiences for me. I was hearing soundstaging and instrumental parts I wasn't aware of. I listened to a few things I'd been listening to hundreds of times and it was a brand new experience. As far as I'm concerned - I've already reached my goal, which was to put together a system without breaking the bank which would give me an opportunity to listen to recorded music in a way I've been missing for years. Tues and Wed night we're incredible for me. Now the best part is that there are more goodies on the way that will only (hopefully) enhance the sound."
.(c) On this occasion you had just auditioned some very expensive and very highly-reputed speakers and other components at a high-end audio dealership specializing in the very best of vintage classics. My question to you was; ....By the way, do tell what speakers were used at Py, how the Valencias compare, and what amps the Japs were compared to - curiosity is killin' this cat.
.And your response was:
notes with me so here goes from memory We
listened to a number of
speakers; old Altec Lansings 604bs. Western
vintage - huge. Audio Note
- really liked
these a lot. Very sharp and full speaker.
their design. I would consider them if I were
looking at new speakers. He had a number of Quad speakers
that I will listen to next time.
Py had a great selection of horns dating back to the 1940s. I'd like to listen to them in the future.
Amp;. crazy vintage Western Electric monblocks. rebuilt custom tube amps that Py makes. There may have also been an Audio Note amp I heard. All these amps were well set up with pre amps etc so I wasn't comparing my amps apples to apples.
When I got home and hooked them up to the Valencias - I was impressed with the sound of my amps and speakers to same level that I experienced at his studio. That's a good sign. I didnt want to get that critical given that I didn't have the SP-8 hooked up yet and I was playing cds - which is not why I built the whole thing....."
To put this in context, my retort was;
I'm not sure you realize it, but amongst such equipment you're literally in the presence of royalty, there at Py. These are some of the cream of the crop - no doubt. If you'd mentioned such gear before then, perhaps, I never would've doubted the fella. Anyone who's intimate with such gear has to know what he's doing - no question. (Oh, if he has a folded-horn Tannoy in there somewhere, try to get to hear it - something like a GRF or, better still, aWestminster - Klangfilm too, or RCA with field-coils).
Audio-Note, Altec 604, Western-Electric. Did you say; Western-Electric - the fore-runner and, subsequent, integral part of Altec? I mean, did you say you got to listen to a 'huge' Western-Electric speaker-system?
I wonder if it's the L-9; the one I referred to in my article, 'The Ultimate Speakers Are Within Reach', to demonstrate the ridiculous superiority such speakers as this, and your Valencia (to a slightly lesser degree) have over even the most expensive of modern small-coned mega-dollar monolithic poor excuses for speaker-systems.
Is this the one you listened to? http://www.tnt-audio.com/shows/munich10a_e.html
If it is, then note what is said about it, in that link, and this one, in comparison to the very 'best' of modern speakers: http://www.theaudioeagle.com/columns/musical%20weekend%20in%20munich.html
And you're confirming that your 1-grand Valencia is as impressive, and similar in its realism, in your home (or even almost) as this near-priceless icon, or one of its equally accomplished siblings? If this is so, my friend, then this would be quite a feat - not to be taken lightly.........
...... I can't get over this
listened to those awesome Western-Electrics,
which demonstrate a ridiculous
level of superiority over some
most expensive modern speakers in existence, and then you said this;
I got home and hooked them
up to the Valencias - I was
impressed with the sound of my amps and speakers to same level that I
experienced at his studio. That's a good sign."
good sign". What an understatement. I agree tho, that's definitely a
.(d) Pre-Amp $1100: The ARC SP-8 was recommended (by WAJ on AUDIO) in the low-budget system of my article which inspired you on this course. However, though I'd also suggested better options, you opted for the SP-8, the least of those I'd recommended to you, personally. Here's what I said; By the way, speaking of price-hiking, and not that it changes anything, but it seems I was also right about the going-rate for SP8s, after all. There's one at audiogon here; http://app.audiogon.com/listings/audio-research-sp-8-hi-def-stereo-pre-amplifier--2 . That's going for around 1200, so the price we saw at e-bay perhaps was a fluke. Nevertheless, I'm comfortable with the Doge Clarity, if you are. The SP8 would be more like a sideways move, regarding performance since they're so close, with the Doge having the edge, and possible refurbishment could bring that SP8 closer to the price of the Doge anyway. That Doge is a bargain, any way you look at it. The only feasible deviation from the Doge I can imagine is if you opt to go for that 9, on the scale of 1 to 10. In that case my suggestion would be either Coincident Statement, or TRL 'The Dude', both of which decimate the mega-buck competition at the very top echelon of state of the art performance, at ridiculously 'reasonable' costs.
On insertion of the Audio-Research SP-8 active pre-amp (recommended as my third-choice, and to be modified) and replacing your passive-pre-amp, your initial comment was;
"Sp 8 is here. Sounds great . Really could not be more pleased. Speakers sound so real. I've decided tweeter is not necessary right now. Im very happy w the sound right now.."
Pressed for further comment, you elaborated;
[Note:"...I'm blown away by the realism of the system..." we were told, at the time. At this stage, the total cost of the entire system was only $3300, approximately (i.e. excluding the so-called 'crappy' pre-existing CD-player being used, and the now redundant Quad amp, which was not - the est. cost of the Sansuis factored, here). And, btw, the review's emphasis on the superiority of analogue over digital, though somewhat relevant, is also over-stressed, and perhaps misleading because of that. The same applies to the emphasis on tubes - since THE major reason for the system's high level of realism is mostly due to the type of speaker-system, as evident from the account of the difference made on its introduction at the very beginning, and also at this stage when analogue was still not yet introduced. The tonal realism of a good ACTIVE pre-amp is also a very significant factor. The characteristically thin sound of a passive-pre-amp, though clear in limited aspects, cannot compete in overall realism - note the tonal difference, described above, when the pre-existing passive-pre was replaced with the active SP-8. And an amp which does not limit the active pre-amp's lower-midrange tonality is also imperative - many amps do limit the lower-mids (such as the fairly well-regarded Super T-amp previously used here, for instance - again, re; the difference described above). And the same applies to virtually all small-coned speakers, regarding their deficient and less-than-lifelike lower-mids.
"...I'm blown away by the realism of the system..." Again, I stress the fact that this quality of sound, and uncanny realism (as articulated above) is achieved, at this stage, even without the much better-sounding modified turntable and modified R2R machine, as were also recommended, both of which were yet to be implemented. One could certainly have stopped, at this stage ($3300) and still enjoy a system which is much more realistic than most that cost much much more. This is living proof of several points I've repeatedly made in several articles at WAJ on AUDIO. And these points are verified by an independent who obviously demonstrates very little inclination to sing WAJ on AUDIO's praises, for reasons examined below. Interested readers on a more limited budget should pay particular attention to all these issues. And, especially: The efficient large-coned type of speakers used is what makes THE most difference in realism, compared to the popular small-coned types (as used by most popular high-cost systems) which cannot be as realistic.
"...I'm blown away by the realism of the system..." Nevertheless, considering that the level of realism described above was achieved with the pre-existing 'mediocre' digital source-components, then it should be easy to envision the increased levels of performance elicited when the following source-components below are also incorporated. (Since making the-above remarks, the reader has obviously been overcome with a desire to claim responsibility for the system's design and, therefore, is now reluctant to stress the increase in quality wrought by the recommended turntable, for instance, in the context of a WAJ on AUDIO 'review'. And the same goes for the similarly recommended R2R, predetermined to be excluded from this 'review', availability notwithstanding - see below. Note, also, the contrast between the reader's previous enthusiastic remarks, as compared to his 'toned-down' review, of late. Experienced audiophiles will have no doubt as to the level of difference such a tt makes, however, and they'll also know that master-tape R2R is inordinately better than any other source - period). With close to the best in LP and master-tape sources, combined with the realism of the components previously described, audio-reproduction doesn't get much better than this - with the emphasis on LIFELIKE-REALISM, not the currently popular hifi analytics and gimmickry.
The virtual copy of my e-mailed response to that reader continues now with item 'e']
(e) Turntable, approx $300: Lenco L75 - recommended and sourced (by WAJ on AUDIO). Initially, again, you were interested in the Thorens TD125 cited in the low-budget system described in the fore-mentioned article. Eventually though, after you expressed an interest in Garrard's 401 for the future, I introduced, recommended, and sourced for you (from three Lenco L75 options) the very Lenco you now own. Here's another reminder of mine from the thread, highlighting the very moment I introduced, recommended, and sourced it;
(f) Turntable Mod re;
heavy-plinth, approximately $800 - $1500: Recommended
(by WAJ on
AUDIO). Your comments after
I'd stressed (again)
the necessity of having the tt modified with , at least, a heavy plinth
by Jean Nantais, or one very similar (a 'Nantais-Classic' clone, for
instance) for less; "Very
interesting. now I understand why
you've talked to about me just buying
the basic form of the tt. A lot needs to be done.
actually think that his work looks fascinating and gives me an idea of
how much really needs to go into it before it's potential is
entertain the idea of sending
him the tt for the $3800 job but I'd like to get the
system in place
and give it whirl before
making much bigger investments into
Regarding the 'cheap-trick' I'd proposed to elaborate on, two days ago, in relation to addressing the Valencia's response at the very extremes of the treble-region, I'd prefer to hold-off on that, for the moment. This is because, with your proposal to try the Lenco as is, you'll be putting the whole system at a disadvantage.......... In thinking about this I realize that while someone like me could play that standard Lenco as is and still appreciate its potential, to be later unleashed after mods, a 'newbee' to turntables, like yourself, may well be underwhelmed, and perhaps even discouraged. Partly because of this, I believe we should modify that Lenco now...).
.Your response, after several detailed explanations struggling to convince you as to why when and how you should modify the Lenco, in addition to the importance of a good arm & cart, was this, finally: "I'm going to follow ur instructions outlined below. Not sure I need detailed advice on options below. I need to get a Sonata or a Reference. I need to find tt tech in the Y-State area to make modifications outlined and also explore new tone arm. The tt is going to take a few weeks until I have it and get it modified and get a plinth."
.Your comments, from the review, on the now-modified Lenco: "The turntable sings. Bass response is great. Sound is sharp and snappy. There is so much I'm hearing on vinyl I haven't heard for years on CDs and other digital sources."
(g) Tonearm approx $2200 for 9" TA110: Ortofon arms generally, but conditionally, recommended (by WAJ on AUDIO). Here's why; Though I endorsed and did recommend Ortofon arms, for their quality, I also indicated to you a more cost-effective alternative, in addition to several others. My advice regarding their cost was: I would not buy the Ortofon tonearm being contemplated. If this is the Ortofon AS 309, it is made by Jelco (as are all current Ortofon arms). Jelco offers virtually the exact same 12" arm (the 750L, which I'd previously suggested) for around $600, which is a fraction of the cost of the one badged Ortofon, at between $1700 and $2400, depending on the spec (i.e. S or D - re; http://octaveaudio-usa.com/products/ortofonArms/ ). The Ortofon is reputedly a good arm, but the Jelco is the very same, by all accounts and (consequently, logically, reportedly, and reputedly) just as good. Therefore I'd buy the Jelco and save $1100 to $1800 towards a more beneficial purpose.
.Since those linked above are more experienced in such matters than you are, forgive me if I'm more inclined to err on the side of their wisdom. All the more so when the unfortunate Jelco was 'set-up' (even with a different cart from the one with which the Ortofon was 'tested' - re; your review) by the same party who was seeking to sell you the Ortofon (it's just 'good' business, as they say) and especially since the 'customer' has previously expressed a predisposition towards paying much more, un-necessarily, just so as to have that party as a friend/resource (and perhaps another 'big name' to cite in association with the system). Oh yeah, perhaps Ortofon could have spec'ed a minor change to their arms, thus causing a difference. But, short of hearing that difference myself, or having bona-fide audiophiles verify it, my advice to my readers remains the same as it was to you, on the issue.To reiterate; I did, and would still, recommend Ortofon arms for their significant quality. But the less expensive Jelco-equivalent was, and still is, even more highly recommended, by me, because they offer the same quality at much more reasonable cost. [Do understand that these necessary clarifications are for the benefit of my readers. Much of what you say is...let's say...'misleading' - I'm sure you get the drift.]
(h) Cartridge $200: Stanton 881- recommended and sourced (by WAJ on AUDIO) My first-choice was Grado (for its unparalleled midrange naturalness) with either a Garrott P77 or Stanton 881 as a backup (Denon 103 was also mentioned as a possible alternative, though certain issues put it at a disadvantage, along with other, more expensive, M-Cs I'd also mentioned). The first-choice was withdrawn because of doubts as to its synergistic compatibility with the "warm" (your description) main amps you eventually opted for. (The fact that you described these Sansui amps as 'warm' while using the pre-existing passive-pre-amp, the likes of which are known to be 'cold', was even more cause for pause). No such issue surrounds the Stanton (which errs on the 'cooler' side of neutral, a trait which better suits a possibly 'warm' amp) and so this was recommended and sourced for you at ebay. Here are my comments:
For the next link, I'll also provide a review which partially explains my bias toward the very best m-m cartridges. If interested, I'd offer no more than 300 for this 'spare' unit, keeping in mind the Grado-imperative:
.You bought that very Stanton, as the thread shows, yet you omitted to list it in your 'review' (just as you omitted to mention the similarly-recommended R2R) preferring to mention an A-N cartridge on loan from your favorite 'big name' dealer, the same source of the Ortofon. I'm sure you'll also buy the A-N moving-magnet for the same reasons you bought the Ortofon, despite not having even tested the Stanton - further indication of your modus-operandi my readers should note. Nevertheless, Audio-Note makes no really bad product that I'm aware of - a sentiment I'd also expressed on your request for my opinion of A-N DACs.
.[Entry-Level A/N DAC was discussed but NOT recommended by WAJ on AUDIO, except to merely endorse the brand. There's little doubt that this was likely touted by the 'big-name' dealer you're so anxious to associate the system with, at 'little' WAJ on AUDIO's expense. Neither is its cost factored into that of the recommended system (i.e. as an ancillary component - unlike that of the amp, which is integral). Nor are any claims made for its existence in the system - a similar scenario applies to the cited A/N cartridge, on loan. Oh and, along with the amps, these are the only deviations from the many items I recommended. Just another 'minor' detail which illustrates the falsehood of your claims]
(i) 2trk/15ips Reel to Reel Machine - with tubed playback amp - $2000:
A Technics RS1500 with mods to playback-amp was also specified and recommended (by WAJ on AUDIO). But here's my first reference to R2R in partial response to your request for advice on DACs, in general, and on the entry-level A-N DAC your new-found dealer was also advocating; Later I'll probably suggest another source-component that's even more awesome. But let's get the basic system in order first. Didn't know you really wanted more sources, actually.
.Much later on in the thread, I further stated the following, in partial response to another of your requests concerning DACs: I wasn't going to mention this 'til after you were done mod'ing the tt (and enjoying its major benefits) as that source is THE most important, considering the sound-quality, and also the availability of LPs. But, tho tapes are limited, if you'd occasionally want to experience the most realistic reproduction possible, then nothing is as good as reel to reel master-tape, as I'd mentioned in that original article that started you on this venture. (I use it too - tho, not enough - nothing can touch its realism). It's decently do-able for perhaps less than 2-grand, tho one could go higher if one opts to do so. Machines are at the 'bay, starting at around 1-grand. Perhaps the M-Box at $250, for close to the best in digital, and a reel to reel machine, for the very best in sound possible, might be a better combination to consider. Check out this site for more info: http://www.tapeproject.com/
.Your response, at the timewas; " I can't even think about R/R right now. Py has a ton of them. I think the Signature was a fluke - the listing was pulled. Py told me just now that he has a A-N kit DAC that he has hot rodded for $1300. I think that's it."
.Apparently you were further convinced by the link I provided since, eventually, you returned with a specific request for advice regarding the very same machines I'd already been recommending. Evidently, this was also now brought about by the fact that your new-found dealer was now soliciting the purchase of one of his:
"I did get the jelco tone arm.
Hooking it up this week.
I'm already eying r2r deck. I know u like revox. Ive been looking at technics rs1500. There are some great tech guys who do a great job reworking these decks in va http://www.musictechnology.com/
Looks like getting r2r serviced properly is half the battle .
Honestly - I'm more interested in tape at this point than vinyl .
Looks like revox maybe more challenging to service and get parts in the us.
Any thoughts on the r2r dilemma ?
Py sells serviced and tricked out rs 1500 decks for 2k. Ready to go.
Looks like it takes about $600 to $700 to get a deck on good condition and about $300 or so in basic service. This would be wo modifying tape output amp."
.My response, and recommendations, were as follows:
.The ReVox may well be my own favourite, but in this instance I'd disregard it.
This is because The Tape Project offers modification parts for two pro-sumer machines; the Technics RS 1500 and the Otari MX-5050 (with possibly more mods to come). The Otari is also currently being manufactured, if I'm not mistaken.
advice would be for you to
get one of these machines and follow the Tape-Project's suggestions
regarding upgrades. I'd also suggest the acquisition of one of their
(Bottlehead's) tube playback amps.
I also like option #2; If Py's RS-1500 includes a tubed playback-amp, I'd go with that. Considering their own reputation for quality, and the fact that Bottlehead's cheapest playback-amp option costs around a grand, I think a similarly-equipped RS-1500 from Py for $2k is a virtual bargain. (The internal solid-state playback electronics in these machines are crap, compared to the tubed option. Alternatively, you could seek something like an Ampex tubed rec/payback amp @ e-bay, for use with your machine - I haven't checked the potential cost of those tho).
.Subsequent to this, you indicated that you bought the latter of my two recommendations (the 'tricked-out' Technics RS-1500) 'option #2', from Py.
.Yet, after all of that and much much more (look at the length of the actual thread, and at the vast amount of detailed instructions, explanations, specifications, and recommendations, much of which were, at your request, for alternatives or options we didn't really need - wasting my time and effort) you saw fit to send me this - re; the highlighted segments;
".I received the (now modified
Lenco L75 - Ed) turntable a few weeks ago and I'm extremely happy with
it. However, the Audio Note Cartridge is on loan so I dont want to give
final assessment until I have my (Stanton -Ed) cartridge.
I also purchased a Technics RS 1500 tape deck and it might be ready next week. Im not going to include that in my review. I will leave that for a later date. It's also not something you and I went into depth over.
I realize that the system I put together was not what you specified or recommended but don't get hung up on that. your articles and our emails inspired me down this path and I built a solid system that I'm happy with and is providing great pleasure. Inspiring people through writing is very powerful and you should be proud of that."
It is remarkable that, at every turn, you seek to falsely minimize 'little' WAJ on AUDIO's absolute responsibility for the design (and much more) of that system while, at the same time, you falsely emphasize the involvement of others with 'big names', like your new-found dealer, and not excluding yourself, of course. With R2R as the most recent example, and with the backdrop of the facts ensconced in the thread, as summarized above, you summon the gall to say this. ".....It's (R2R) also not something you and I went into depth over" - implying that WAJ on AUDIO had nothing to do with your acquisition of R2R. Interesting. And I'm intrigued by this, "The turntable took a long time. I waivered for a while and finally settled on a Lenco L75." LOL! This is especially interesting against the backdrop of the actual facts in the thread (only a minimum of which are above) but more-so coming, as it is, from one who has admitted to knowing next to nothing (and inadvertently proving it, time and again) about high-end audio. It's funny that one who'd not even heard of the word 'Lenco', before I'd mentioned it, now assumes the airs of an 'expert' on the subject, and on all things hifi, apparently. However, this next one deserves the 'Academy-Award', in the category of 'Delusional Figments of the Imagination' - it's an instant 'classic'; "I realize that the system I put together was not what you specified or recommended..." I wouldn't even bother to comment on that, the thread speaks for itself.
.Indeed, from the thread and prior to your affliction with delusions of grandeur, your own words condemn you, as you comment on the realistic sound of that system I designed and recommended; "I can't believe that following advice sight unseen could produce something so excellent. A lot of advice out there and lots of opinion. Following yours has produced good results so far." (And note that the modified tt and R2R, also recommended, weren't even implemented, at this stage, neither was your DAC). Study this statement carefully - this prescribed therapy may bring you back to reality - consider, also, its profound implications, at several deeper levels, then contemplate your antics since making this statement. Consider the following, for instance (from the perspective of an admitted and confirmed novice) and see whether you're able to explain the ensuing charade - not to me, though:
.The following example most clearly illustrates your affinity for kissing-up to 'big names', just so as to be able to mention said names and, also, your affinity for un-necessarily wasting people's time. Bear in mind that I'd already gone to great lengths to convince you of the need to modify the tt without delay, and for you to find a local expert to build this plinth based on Jean Nantais' widely-publicized, and copied, 'Classic' (this is when you found your 'big name' dealer, Py, to do the job). I'd indicated to you that Nantais was the first, and best at modifying Lencos, and that if you opted not to use him, then a locally-built version of Nantais' Classic would be your next-best option - next to a used Nantais 'table, that is, of which I'd also pointed-out two, at reasonable cost, including a top-of-the-line 'Reference' - no other option needed to be considered (i.e. in my opinion, and with all due respect to the others). Yet, after 'threatening' to use the tt unmodified, and causing me to go to extreme lengths in convincing you not to do so (even suggesting 'budget' mods) you later responded with this pompous and telling display:
".I have spent the past two days on the tt. I have spoken to almost all the top people modifying Lencos in the world. Rest easy- I am not going to use the Lenco as is. That would not work at all. Its not an option. However, after studying the options I decided Nantais isn't the option for me either. The plinth is aesthetically not an option. To make a very long story short - I studied all the options, woods, slate, etc. I have examined dozens of arms and cartridges. Ive decided to work with a well known guy in the Y-State area who has done many Lenco tts. We had an interesting discussion about materials, dampening, tone arms cartridges etc. I decided to work with him because I will have the opportunity to listen to the different options - lighter woods vs denser woods and different cartridge options. I will be going w a high quality arm - not sure if its going to be new or used but I dont think I'm going w the sme 3009 on this go around. I also need to decide whether Im going with the XYZ plate for the plinth. Im inclined to do so and I've been in touch with Z (of XYZ) personally about this and the tts he's now making (very nice). I was also seriously considering O at OPQ (had a long talk with him).... [The names have been changed - Ed]
...... Re the Ampex amps. I saw them this a.m. They are a total project. I had B from ABC Tubes look at them (i.e. at pics on e-bay - Ed) and he's sure they dont run and will need significant work...."
Yet, after wasting those people's time (and mine, once again) you went with the least of my options but, still, an option I'd been recommending all along; a version of Nantais' 'Classic', built by a local expert. Here are your words, from the 'review' - spoken like a true expert; "I decided not to go with a XYZ (plate - Ed) but instead sunk it (the Lenco tt) into a 30 pound birch plywood plinth without a separate top plate." In other words; a version of Nantais' Classic, without the XYZ plate I'd advised against, and built by a competent local expert - exactly as I'd recommended. It bears repeating. So why the charade, taking those poor guys on your merry-go-round ride? You're really something else - a real piece of.... work. But then, that's an impressive collection of names to associate with the system. Isn't it?
(Regarding the poor gentleman from ABC Tubes, btw, I'm sure he was unaware that my intent was for you to acquire the Ampexes to implement modern mods, thus negating the need to buy them in peak 'running-condition'. I'm sure he was also unaware of the fact that your main motive in approaching him might have been just for you to acquire another 'big name' to mention in association with the system - indeed, in association with YOUR acumen, consultative-skills, judgment, and exercise of supreme expertise, in the building of the system - as were the others).
Nevertheless, though I'd suspected it for a long time, I'm now certain as to why my task was made as difficult and, at times, as frustrating as it was. You see, from your initial approach, I'd expected a similar scenario as to when you got that famous audio-consultant to design your Genelec system - autonomously. Indeed, and especially, since my services were solicited and rendered free of cost, added to the fact that you're grossly unfamiliar with the field of hifi (a neophyte) I'd expected to just name my recommended components and alternatives, with detailed explanations as to why they may be the most prudent choices. And this is how things actually went, at first. But then, you apparently conjured visions of later proclaiming responsibility for the system's design (as you're doing now) and also to associate it with some of the 'big names' in the industry (like your new-found dealer, and the likes of those above) and so you constantly sought advice from such as those (under the guise of a potential customer) to return to me with un-necessary questions, with a view to going a different route, at times - eliciting long, detailed, and un-necessary explanations from me, taking advantage of my kindness and wasting more of my time. Perhaps some amount of ego was/is in play, here. Who Knows? Perhaps mine too. Yet, as it turns out, you ended up with pretty-much exactly the system WAJ on AUDIO described, prescribed, specified, and recommended, give or take a few relatively inconsequential minor deviations - as the record shows. And despite your feeble and disingenuous claims to the contrary. Look, again, at the thread, the 'full' thread, and you'll see how blatantly and patently ridiculous your claims are - as if you needed a reminder.
As I've indicated, you've displayed a penchant for associating the system with 'big names', while also displaying a determination to keep the system's association with this little 'no-name', 'small-fry', 'unknown' web-site (which is indeed responsible for its very existence) a deep dark secret since this would contradict the fantasy/fallacy you're seeking to promote. Am I right?. Here's a recent example from your comments regarding the upcoming (and many times delayed) 'review': "I will go into specs and also send you pics (not to be published) when I get back to Y-State next week." (Pics that were never sent, btw - but don't bother). From your obsession to name 'big names' in association with that system (tho mostly superficial and false, really) I'm absolutely sure you'd never make such a stipulation if a 'big name' mag like TAS or Stereophile were involved.
In fact, I'm sure you'd be glad to, un-necessarily, pay them for the 'honor', as you've done repeatedly in an effort to 'kiss-up' to your 'big name' dealer - re; the Ortofon, for instance. [Here's a classic example of this, in regards to your willingness to spend un-necessarily excessive amounts in order to befriend your new-found local dealer, Py. Your words; "I know I'm not an expert in this area, so I'm trusting other experts like yourself. It becomes very helpful to have at least one of these resources local. I'll admit - sometimes you have to buy something to make that transaction and get on their attention radar." And though I'd, indeed, advised you to align yourself with a local resource, absolutely, there's also such a thing as going too far overboard - un-necessarily - my opinion. I'm sure the prospect of associating the system with 'big names' is much more of an incentive to you than anything else - it's obvious, from the evidence.]
And so, you'd much prefer to distort the truth in saying that 'little, no-name' WAJ on AUDIO only 'assisted' and 'inspired' your creative process, in addition to other much 'bigger' names. In fact you have, previously, and now, to a lesser degree, in your 'review'. Hindsight suggests that I should have just charged you a substantial fee, and simply named the components for you to take or leave - I truly regret not having done so, at the outset (with no 'thread' attached). That way you could make any claim you'd want, and I wouldn't give a damn. Or perhaps I should have simply put you on to some other individual or entity, like the 'big name' dealer you found after contacting me, for him to squeeze in excess of 50-grand out of you for a similar system. I'd have much preferred to have done this for someone more deserving.
I really don't care what you tell your associates, but I see your attempts to foist your fallacies upon me (of all people - and on my readers) as a boldfaced affront, which I obviously reject entirely, and vehemently.
.Consider, also (and this is what I find most vexing) that your tactics would effectively nullify the main incentive for my involvement in this project - 'bragging-rights' per WAJ on AUDIO, 'street-cred', 'proof of theories' - call it what you will. And, by said tactics, you've forced me to set the records straight, so to speak. Aside from my natural willingness to help other audiophiles, and those like yourself who aspire to be, my main incentive for involvement in this project was to prove the radical points expressed at my site by designing a system, incorporating all the principles expressed, for an independent source (you) to relate the merits and effectiveness of said principles - or not - as the case may be.
.Your description of the resulting realism of the sound you're now experiencing, not just in this 'review' but, more so, throughout the thread of our correspondence manifests the achievement of that goal - to an extra-ordinary degree, absolutely. By all indications, not least your prior utterances, the system is an absolute and resounding success in regards to its goals of achieving the extremely high levels of lifelike and realistic reproduction of music, much superior to that of most of the popular types of expensive high-end systems (such as the Genelec system you also own). All for less than ten-grand, or there-about (tho more could have been done for even less) a feat of which I'm particularly proud. (There are systems costing many bucks north of a hundred-grand which cannot even approach similar levels of realism, I assure you. I know this, from experience, since my own is very similar - it's the template from which I designed yours, in fact - you should address the tweet and pre issues tho). But then, your quest to ascribe credit contrary to where it belongs would only serve to defeat my main purpose for this endeavor - I cannot allow that - 'sorry'.
.Regarding this 'review', I'd have much preferred for you to stick with the program, as requested, and focus your remarks on detailed accounts of the sound of the components and the system. I'd also specifically requested that you not even mention WAJ on AUDIO as I'd seen where you were headed in wanting to ascribe credit for only 'inspiring' and 'assisting' YOUR creativity - that's an insult. And since this is at odds with the truth, as the record shows, I'd have preferred for you not to persist in conveying a false impression to my readers. If you'd acceded to my requests then this clarification would not have been necessary, and the thread could have ended somewhat more productively with a simple detailed review from you, and nary a comment from me.
.Apparently this was not to be, however, and so your 'review' and, especially, your utterances leading up to it has now 'inspired' my response.
.I refuse to be a critic of the actual review, per se, except to say that one would have expected rather more substance from one whose vocation and training are based on the written word. Viewed against the backdrop that this feedback is the only reward sought for the massive sacrifice and effort expended on your behalf in facilitating the system you now so enjoy, then a paltry effort on your part, featuring a total disregard for the details requested (and promised) could perhaps be seen, among other things, as a reflection of one's character - especially when your fictitious claims, so easily and obviously discredited by the facts borne by the thread, are also taken into consideration. Others may well declare you an 'ungrateful' soul, with a pathological aversion to truth and, also, with kleptomaniac-like tendencies regarding others' intellectual-property, among other things. I won't. I wouldn't bother to articulate the obvious.
.Nevertheless, and regardless of any shortcomings or discrepancies, that 'review' does proclaim the quality and realism of the system, along with your immense satisfaction with it. Yet, I prefer to close with a repeat of some of your prior remarks (as taken from the thread) and ending with one of your previous complete statements. That's only because (in addition to the fact that the last paragraph mercilessly discredits the falsehood you now promote - in your own words, at that) this honest, uncalculated, spur-of-the-moment statement (similar to your other previous remarks, below) obviously reflects your genuine shock and amazement at the realism of this system, and obviously implies its superiority over those other popular types with which you are familiar, including your own highly-rated 'Genelec' system:
. "...When I listened to Louis Armstrong on these speakers - it felt like he was actually singing to me - not like I was listening to a good recording of him singing..."
"...I was literally trembling because the sound was so full and encompassing......... I listened to a few things I'd been listening to hundreds of times and it was a brand new experience.......... I've already reached my goal, which was to put together a system without breaking the bank which would give me an opportunity to listen to recorded music in a way I've been missing............ Tues and Wed night we're incredible for me...."
.My comment, here: ............I can't get over this tho; You listened to those awesome Western-Electrics, which demonstrate a ridiculous level of superiority over some of the most expensive modern speakers in existence, and then you said this; "When I got home and hooked them up to the Valencias - I was impressed with the sound of my amps and speakers to same level that I experienced at his studio. That's a good sign." Ha! "That's a good sign". What an understatement. I agree tho, that's definitely a good sign....
".....Sounds great . Really could not be more pleased. Speakers sound so real..... Im very happy w the sound right now.......".".....The turntable sings. Bass response is great. Sound is sharp and snappy. There is so much I'm hearing on vinyl I haven't heard for years on CDs and other digital sources......"
You were welcome!
Monday, November 5, 2012 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: System u described
.WAJ-----On Tue Nov 6 (Note; this project was started in May)
.You said, "Feel free to make any changes you want to my comments...."
Shortened version of the-above (with a different introduction).
The original article that started it all.
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